Old Lutheran Rumors

[thessarabian]

When I first learned about this I learned it through a Venn diagram, which I can't draw here, but I'll talk it out: All Baptists are Calvinists, but not all Calvinists are Baptists. Just like all Pentacostals are Calvinists but not all Calvinists are Pentacostals. When the Protestant Reformation happened there were a few key theologians who most people followed. Luther was one, Calvin was another. You're on the right track but your label is too narrow. Obviously these days the Baptists have gotten much more distinct, but It is in the Calvinist tradition with the remnents of the Anabaptist movement mixed in.

[Valpo2004]

When I first learned about this I learned it through a Venn diagram, which I can't draw here, but I'll talk it out: All Baptists are Calvinists, but not all Calvinists are Baptists. Just like all Pentacostals are Calvinists but not all Calvinists are Pentacostals. When the Protestant Reformation happened there were a few key theologians who most people followed. Luther was one, Calvin was another. You're on the right track but your label is too narrow. Obviously these days the Baptists have gotten much more distinct, but It is in the Calvinist tradition with the remnents of the Anabaptist movement mixed in.

Hmm didn't know baptists where calvinists.

[tneujahr]

I know several baptists who would greatly oppose that idea.

[Valpo2004]

I know several baptists who would greatly oppose that idea.

The idea that they are calvinists?

[thessarabian]

I wish I had the diagram- it pointed out the 'evolution' of how different groups split from the Catholic church. This was from a Sunday School class I took that examined the history of Lutheranism and to where it is today. I know baptists of today would probably object to the term because they have moved away from the original teachings of Calvin, but it stuck in my head that that's where they came from because it was so surprising to me.

[thessarabian]

That sounds like it, thanks char!

[Valpo2004]

Obviously these days the Baptists have gotten much more distinct, but It is in the Calvinist tradition with the remnents of the Anabaptist movement mixed in.

Remnents????

Go ESE from South Bend to Nappanee, IN in Elkart County and you will find lots and lots and lots of anabaptists.

In fact I know of some places where anabaptists are the majority.

There is plenty of anabaptists out there.

[Valpo2004]

Is this what you where talking about btw?

[pstrmry]

Hey Valpo -- could you link me to the site you got this from so I can copy & print it for my confirmation class? It is awesomely helpful!
Thx!
Mary

[thessarabian]

Obviously these days the Baptists have gotten much more distinct, but It is in the Calvinist tradition with the remnents of the Anabaptist movement mixed in.

Remnents????

Go ESE from South Bend to Nappanee, IN in Elkart County and you will find lots and lots and lots of anabaptists.

In fact I know of some places where anabaptists are the majority.

There is plenty of anabaptists out there.

I had no idea- thanks for the correction!

[thessarabian]

That's not the exact chart I saw, but it is similar except that it doesn't mention Calvin and the Anabaptists

[Valpo2004]

Here is another one. I think this one is a bit more detailed.



Although I find some of it questionable. It seems to say that anabaptists came from the Calvinist movement and I never got that impression.

Also i don't think the Church of the Brethren just appeared like that. My understanding is that it has something to do with the anabaptists.

That can be found at

http://www.truthforsaints.com/denominat ... y-tree.gif

The other one is at

http://www.covchurch.org/uploads/UE/o2/ ... y-tree.gif

[Valpo2004]

I had no idea- thanks for the correction!

Mennonites and Amish are anabaptists. There is no "anabaptist" denomination, just like there is no "Calvanist" denomination. But the Mennonites and the Amish are anapatists just like the presbyterians are calvinists.

I think the church of the Brethren has some anabaptist roots too.

BTW Gentlemen, eating the cooking of an Amish woman is enough to make you seriously consider becomming Amish.

[thessarabian]

Gotcha- I know about those sects. And I guess I did know they were anabaptists. I have a problem with that second chart too.

This one came from wikipedia. The Baptist listing is odd, I'm not sure why the dotted line is there. My understanding was that Baptists "reformed" what Calvin put out there, but came out of his sect- so it seems that they should be a split off the Reformed Church. Oh well, it's all interesting to look at.