Old Lutheran Rumors

[thessarabian]

Check this out: http://www.cph.org/pdf/203261.pdf

[Valpo2004]

This one came from wikipedia. The Baptist listing is odd, I'm not sure why the dotted line is there. My understanding was that Baptists "reformed" what Calvin put out there, but came out of his sect- so it seems that they should be a split off the Reformed Church. Oh well, it's all interesting to look at.

Based on what I read from your second link, the line seems to be in there because Baptists seem to have just sort of formed out of no where with people from many different denominations.

Realistcally thats also true, people who are baptists have told me that baptist doesn't necessarily mean anything. Even within Baptist denominations they seem to have a wide variety of views on different theological issues. (Including Calvin) The thing is that a lot of their core theology has influneced the US in a huge way. Most non-denomiational churchs that you would go to are pretty much baptist or pentacostle (which I belive grew out of baptists)

The link you provided is really good. I think if I where to break it down in a very simple way. Lutherans view and interprete scripture in a similar lens as Roman Catholics. The difference is that Lutherans rely on scripture alone while the Roman Catholics belive their traditions and human authorities also carry equal if not greater authority.

If you talk to a Baptist they take an entirely different lens with scripture. And as your document points out like many other protestants they also bring in human reason there. Thats why Baptists don't belive in the real presence because it doesn't seem reasonable. Thats also why they belive that baptism can only be carried out when a child is older (age of reason) because that seems reasonable.

I also think they are afraid of having what they call "mystical" sacraments because it seems too high church. There really is outside of Lutheran and Anglican churchs a fear of being anything like Roman Catholics. Several of them teach that Catholics arn't really Christians. I'm not a Catholic and I'm not going to defend a lot of the practicies of the Catholic church, but I quite frankly find this view disturbing. Of course my guess is many of them would also belive that Lutherans are also unsaved because of our similarities.

[thessarabian]

From what I read on that link, only one section of Baptists came from Calvinists, another group came from another tradition, and so on. It seems to be a very catch-all label. So in a way I think we are both right, since there's such a huge variety that both of us can be right and wrong at the same time (if that makes any sense). I know Baptists who disavow Pentacostals and insist that they "aren't Christian", and say about the same thing about a lot of nondenoms. But since the label Baptist has been used with such varied theology it's hard to pin down what is or is not "Baptist".

[Valpo2004]

From what I read on that link, only one section of Baptists came from Calvinists, another group came from another tradition, and so on. It seems to be a very catch-all label. So in a way I think we are both right, since there's such a huge variety that both of us can be right and wrong at the same time (if that makes any sense). I know Baptists who disavow Pentacostals and insist that they "aren't Christian", and say about the same thing about a lot of nondenoms. But since the label Baptist has been used with such varied theology it's hard to pin down what is or is not "Baptist".

Westboro Baptist church belives they are the only real Christians.

They also belive that killing happy people is a good thing and a sin at the same time.

I'm not joking I read one of their press releases where they praised some dude for killing a happy guy and then stated that he was going to hell for killing that guy.

Now I am the first to tell you that God is a hard guy to understand completly. . . but if what they where saying is true, then understanding anything about God is an excersize in futality.

But then again its a good thing they are wrong.

[oldlutheran]

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[thessarabian]

You can pre-order your 2008 Old Lutheran Stein starting today.


Order your stein Here.

Wow, a Christmas present I can get for my dad AND my father in law! Now I just have to wait until after I pay for the dentist.

[thessarabian]

How come you only have one t-shirt available as a long sleeve?

[ValS]

Is the front of the stein the same as the back? Is there something on the bottom of the stein like the other one has? More pics, please.

[oldlutheran]

I want to send out a newsletter using the political theme of Change. Can you help me with a top ten list? Is this funny? I don't want to be offensive. Add to the list of comment on the idea. Any help is great. Thank you.



Our campaign theme:
We want to Change the Lutheran Church. One T-shirt at t a time.


Top ten reasons to Change (into and Old Lutheran T-shirt).

Luther was a maverick, wear an OL t-shirt and be a maverick too.

These T-shirts lack the experience of being worn by Lutherans. (because they are new)

We can Screen print on a T-shirt but it's still a t-shirt.

I can see our warehouse from my desk.

We need to set a deadline and bring these shirts home.

With quantity discounts you can buy T-shirts for people who can't afford t-shirts.

Every T-shirt counts.

[tneujahr]

"Because if you wear our T-shirts long enough without changing, you too can drop a moose at 400 yards."

[tneujahr]

(front) How many Lutherans does it take to change a t-shirt?


(back) Change?

[ValS]

It's only funny if both sides get a fair and balanced slam. Not all your customers are Obamaniacs.

[GreyBeard]

Genesis 35:2 (ESV)
So Jacob said to his household and to all who were with him, "Put away the foreign gods that are among you and purify yourselves and change your garments.

[tneujahr]

It's only funny if both sides get a fair and balanced slam. Not all your customers are Obamaniacs.

One Old Lutheran t-shirt for every day of the week:

Now THERE'S change we can believe in!

[GreyBeard]

How many Lutherans does it take to change a T-Shirt?

Change? But my grandfather donated that t-shirt!

1 to change the shirt and five to talk about how much better the old T-Shirt was.

1 to change and 30 to hold a pot-luck dinner to commission it.

We change our shirts more often than the menu changes at our Pot-Luck Dinners.

Our shirts are available in more colors than the Jello at our Pot-Luck.

Available in Red, Green, Blue or Black to match your favorite Hymnal.